Border Color

Bluff, What constitutes labeling a patch an ‘a’ version and ‘b’ version?


At our Winter banquet, a lodge member came up to me and said that some of the flaps in the previous run had a different border color. I didn’t want to believe him, because I knew I didn’t have any that were different. But, I just got several of my lodges flaps in from an eBay purchase, and one has a border with a slightly darker border color than the others. Would this constitute making a 35a and 35b? The flap history/directory pamphlet that Tsali puts out at the Dixie doesn’t have a’s or b’s on some patches. It just says “Minor Variations Exist.” I know that there are two camps on this issue, and wanted to get feed back from both sides.


Is this slight border color big enough to warrant a variation? I just (minutes ago) got the patches in, and I will post scans (hopefully) later today.





Take a look at the Blue Book definations for varieties and use it for your determination. You can also talk to your area Blue Book Editor and determine his interpitation of the defination of variety. In your own collection you can define it however you want.


By BigJim on January 23rd, 2009 at 12:49 am
By wamcdonald on January 23rd, 2009 at 3:16 am

Well two years ago, at the Nentico Lodge 12 Picnic we had same flap but two diffrent runs one from tiwan and other from china looked very close the same just the words were thicker on one then other werent.. so the collectors got together decided for us to say is a veriation…. nothign big just a and a b!



By redneck_patch_trader on January 23rd, 2009 at 9:23 am

Sseveral people in our lodge have found discrepancies in what the Blue Book has listed, and what was actually issued in the past. A lot of the solid patches are not in order. For instance, S24, 25, and 26 were issued before S12, and S6 was issued after S20. At least one patch is listed twice, S7 and S10. And eR1969-1 is not an OA patch. This might sound trivial, but this is our lodges history and it isn’t recorded correctly. Hence, me trying to see what other traders have done to record their lodges issues. I am starting to think that entries should be listed with years (or dates) that the lodge had them available.

By wamcdonald on January 23rd, 2009 at 12:39 pm

If you can discern the difference in the border colors without needing to have both patches in your hand, then it probably warrants the “a” and “b” designations. If you can’t tell the difference, it’s a minor variation. Your example looks like an a/b variety.

My experiences in getting the Blue Book changed have always been met with frustration. In my old lodge, there are a bunch of segments that were created by the lodge adviser but rejected by the LEC. When I pointed that out, the BB regional editor told me the lodge adviser certified to him that they were official. If I wanted them removed, I had to produce written documentation in the form of LEC minutes that the patches identified had been rejected. Otherwise it’s hearsay and the lodge adviser will be believed before a third party.

In another case, I pointed out that the patches were listed out of order. The editor said that the order was determined by when he received them, and once they’re catalogued, they won’t go back and renumber because it causes too much confusion.

That’s been my experience, but maybe you’ll be luckier.

By ISCA87L on January 23rd, 2009 at 9:02 pm

Getting changes to what is already in the Blue Book is imposable. To prevent further errors the collectors in our lodge work with the reagonal Blue Book Editor to be sure they are correct before they go in the Blue Book. As everyone probably knows the Blue Book Rights are part of a current litigation. There will NO new BlueBook or corrections until the Law Suit is settled.


By BigJim on January 25th, 2009 at 11:06 pm

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